2006/04/11

Existing vs. Living

It's not often that we find governments anywhere trying to mimic the actions of Nazi Germany, but recently a "High Government Official in Europe" had the nerve to compare the Dutch government to the Nazi's.

Did you think that abortion had a weak case? Well, child euthanasia seems to be the next step and it's becoming legal in the Netherlands. Basically what is happening is that they are providing a service to have deformed or retarded babies "compassionately" killed. How can you "compassionately" kill a baby!? But no matter how disgusting I think this is, I can't help but shake my head and admit that it's where our entire society is heading isn't it?

How can you make a decision to give a man the death penalty? How can you decide to kill your unborn (or now completely born) baby? It seems like people are trying to assign value to people as if they are just another investment. Is this person worth keeping around? How will their existence benefit (or harm) me? I'm not sure this kind of black and white analytic perspective is the way to go people...


First of all, I sort of want to know how everyone else feels about this because my head is so full of thoughts that I'd hate to bore you with it all here (we'll do that in the comment thread, haha.) But I would like to propose a thought. I will always say that I stand for life and life to the fullest, but if I start saying that being "alive" is the same as having "life" as a blanket statement, it seems like I would be making the issue just as black and white as the people I accused of assigning "value to a [persons]" life.

Have we ever considered that simply being alive isn't at all the same as having life? I stand for life, but more specifically, the life that Jesus brought when he saved me. If I started saying that physical life on this earth is the only life that mattered, I would feel like I was devaluing everything that the martyrs did. Wasn't the life that Jesus brought so much more than just being alive on this earth? I think we need to realize that being alive, and the life that Jesus brought are two very different things, and I will only stand for one of those if it comes down to choosing.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's a cool thought in your last paragraph there. But refering to the first four, I'd have to say what hit me most was the reality identified in myself to the statement "That's the way our world is heading isn't it?". I've heard so much 'for the greater good' and 'outbreeding the underling' type ideas, that i realize its begun to infiltrate my brain- even to confuse the truth. I have chosen to believe that no man is a mistake if he is Gods creation. Why would we presume to know better. There is no favoritism with God. This is the Truth- and the world wont take it yet.

AfterVerner said...

It can only get worse to a certain in though, right? First you can kill unborn babies, then you can kill demented or retarded born babies...what's next? stupid children? I don't even want to know. I'm not sure we can really stop it though. Ten years ago the things happening now would be considered repulsive. Makes you wonder where we're going.

Delbert said...

Hmm... not sure if what I meant was conveyed in that last paragraph. Consider this, a child is born into a family that is filled with hate, abuse, and anything but love. The mother is thrust into this situation because her future has now been sacrificed for her child and there are feelings of resentment (right wrong or indifferent). This child grows into a life of addiction and self perpetuating hate and criminal behavior.

This mother could have otherwise had opportunities for life (not mere existance, but real life) and the child was unfortunetly subjected to an environment that led to a life that is governed by death and not life at all.

Now I'm not saying that this means we should kill every child who might grow into a serial killer... I'm just trying to illustrate the idea that we shouldn't think "Pro Life" is always associated with avoiding physical death, real LIFE is so much more than "existing".

Anonymous said...

I really liked the way you described the state-of-thought of assigning value to a persons life. That's heavy. It happens everyday involving not only the issue in your blog, but between day to day peers.
The mentally challenged babies in the Netherlands were born to live, born with purpose. God created all life with purpose. To destroy that purpose is like spitting on God's work.

Megan said...

It's an interest post graham but i don't think that is ever going to happen because international human rights law and international war crimes legislation defines killing babies like that as infanticide (sp?) Also as members of the EU, the Netherlands has particular a particular human rights code to adhere to.
I think its interesting when thinking about euthenasia and health and that sort of thing that people have kind of attached band-aid solutions to health. It is interesting I just reread A Brave New World for my Politics of Health Class and its interesting how "we" have become a pill popping society, self medicating, looking for solutions to illnesses that in the past were not perceived as illnesses. Euthenasia and the idea that this guy you're refering to kind of goes along the same ideas, if we can't find a quick fix whats the point?

Megan said...

interest=interesting

Lauren said...

Hm, that's a pretty interesting point you bring up. A couple years ago I wrote this big essay on Life vs. Existence. Existing is definately a completely different thing than living, two seperate concepts. Really anything can exist, but to truly live can be quite the struggle. Often involving a lot of defeat, so maybe in the end existence is the less painful way to go. But as for this whole Nazi thing - it's sorta playing God. Deciding who should live and who should die. You don't know what kind of difference that life will make ten years down the road, why decide its future when it has only existed for, what, days? Also like the lines in the first comment.

Anonymous said...

sad and gross
"if only the pro-aportionists were aborted we wouldn't have a problem."
but get this
one more step towards horrible

I have just read an article that in a few places in china, you can now buy "baby soup" that is supposed to boost yang (yin and yang) i believe.
the price is about $350 US for a large bowl.

the contents are as followes:
fetus, stillborn or young child
water
herbs

the restaurant goes around looking for babies to buy. but they do not accept any frozen. shucks.

there are pictures online
im not posting any links to any of it cause it is truly the worst thing i have ever seen. and you know graham weve seen our share of gross.

Megan said...

the baby soup thing is a hoax, the pictures are staged with doll parts and chicken bones...we can't just take everything we read online to be fact...keep a critical mind when reading stuff online...most if it isn't credible

Delbert said...

yeah, that would be crazy but i can imagine it being a hoax. i'd have a hard time beleiving you could get people to resort to cannibalism and pay money to do it. ps, who are you anonymous? because i'd like to know who i have "seen [my] share of gross" with. hehehe.

drewology said...

That's an interesting topic Delbert. I would turn to the sagacious Gandalf who said "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement"(LOTR Bk.1 Ch.2). We are not the masters of life and death; God is! Who has the right to decide who is worthy of life and who is worthy of death? Who has the ultimate standard by which worthiness is measured?

Anonymous said...

You all seem dead set against abortion. What if a woman is violently raped, or a heroin addict, or a crack fiend, or a prostitute, or, or, or. All of these would lead to an unhealthy upbringing for the child. Would it not be better to abort said "un-wanted" baby?

Anonymous said...

Hey all,
Well the drew stole my thunder i was thinking of that exact qoute well i was reading your post it is perfect. No man has the right to play God on any level so whether you have been raped have std's drug addiction the baby has a purpose and in my mind to eliminate that baby is wrong. Yes people get raped and yes people make mistakes and yes people may not want a baby as they think it will mess up their lives but I dont see how killing the baby who has had no mistakes will make everything better. You cant tell me that a prostitute or crack addict who has an abortion is more likely to clean up and have a real life after an abortion then if they were to have an actual baby.
Megan brought up an interesting point but I dont agree with it international war crimes and human rights are a joke has an American in the Iraq war ever been convicted of a war crime, how about an Iraq soldier who is fighting for his house and home.... I do not believe that man has the ability to form one government over all of the earth and all though the EU is very interesting and on paper a good idea they still cant get all there dung together. As for A Brave new world I read it for my english 160 class (by read i mean every other chapter or so) and it does bring up some interesting thoughts towards self medicating and pill popping to be happy and I dont like it but I think we are moving more towards that. It scares me but graham is right Society is putting value on human lives has anyone ever seen a movie called Gattaca (spelling?) its a futuristic movie where everyone is biologically engineered so that we dont have any "wastes of space" If your going to allow people to kill the dumb babies then why not a few years later kill all the babies that arent genetically "perfect".

Delbert said...

i have never seen Gattaca, therefor it must not be worth watching. my logic is flawless oui oui?

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